My Successes AND Failures Running a Blues Label, Jerry Rosen

I’m a 55 year old college math professor and my two main passions in life are blues and the New York (football) Giants.  In this article, I’ll speak to the first passion.  Why should you care?  As a complete neophyte in the independent music world, I started a blues label, got distribution, found a booking agency for two of my bands and learned about some of the hard cold realities of trying to make it in the record business with limited resources.

When I was a kid, I virtually lived in the Fillmore East.  My favorite bands were the blues rockers, such as Johnny Winter, Allman Brothers, Ten Years After, Paul Butterfield, Hendrix, Clapton, etc. Thanks to Bill Graham, I also got to see BB, Albert and Buddy (not at the same time) and was forever hooked on blues.  Blues is really the only music I listen to when I’m alone and there is no greater blues lover than me.  The fact that I play is secondary to my love for the music.

I played guitar through college, but put it down in the late 70's.  In 1995, I was in a music store in Santa Monica, browsing through the blues CDs, when a guy standing next to me suggested I buy Magic Sam’s West Side Soul and the Wells’/Guy Hoodoo Man CD.  That was it!  I was back into the blues in a major way.  I listened to those CDs over and over and over and couldn’t believe the sheer, raw power they were putting out.  I traded my old Martin (a huge mistake), for a so-so Les Paul and started playing again. For about three years I led my own band.   In 1998, I started attending weekend jam sessions at a club called the New Safari Club in the “hood” (aka South Central Los Angeles).  The master of ceremonies was a bass player named “Oklahoma” Ollie.  Ollie put me in the house band and every Friday, Saturday and Sunday, I spent six hours playing and watching blues.
                                                                                                                                     
LA had a booming blues and jazz scene in the 40’s and 50’s, which started slowing down in the 60’s.  Many musicians moved to LA from around the country and when they could no longer support themselves with music, they joined the working class.  But, on a typical night, at least a dozen people would come to the club to sing and/or play guitar. One of these people was a younger guy who went by the moniker Little Hank, later known as South Side Slim (I’ll refer to him as Slim).  He reminded me a bit of Magic Sam; he had a similar vibrato thing happening in his vocals and he played guitar a bit like Sam too.  Slim always put on a good show.  I put Slim in my band and we started playing together all over the greater LA/Long Beach area.  Eventually, we got the “bright” idea to start a record label.  I found a few investors and we were off and running.  The idea was to record some of the people I had met at the Safari Club.  Many of the people there had played with the likes of T. Bone Walker, Albert King, Albert Collins, Percy Mayfield, Pee Wee Clayton, and many others.  Two of the better-known names we recorded were Smokey Wilson (who owned the Pioneer Club in South Central) and Deacon Jones (who was Freddie King’s keyboardist in the 70’s).                                                                                                                                           

The label was called South Side Records and our first release was Slim’s “Five Steps.”  The CD featured Slim singing and playing his original numbers, but it also featured Deacon Jones and the backing band was also from the South Central area.  The CD received excellent reviews and we landed a distribution deal.  Our second release was called “More Blues From the South Side” and it had Smokey Wilson doing five numbers.  I also found a female singer Mary Dukes who joined my band and we also recorded a CD.  The distributor ordered enough copies of our releases to give us a decent start and the various blues magazines helped us with nice reviews and stories about our artists.                               

But there were problems.  I couldn’t get a national booking agent for Slim or Dukes and that proved to be frustrating.  There is a belief that you have to pay your dues in blues.  Meaning, you have to be “out there” doing endless numbers of gigs, for years at a time, gradually building a following, until bigger labels or booking agencies will consider you.  But things are considerably more expensive now than in the 50’s or 60’s, and opportunities for playing blues on the road are more limited.  I called every major booking agency, spoke to the head of each one of them, and the story was always the same:  they can’t take on a band that does not command a large salary, because the booking fee is 10%.  While I could understand this on an intellectual level, it seemed to me that it would restrict blues to people with enough money to weather the myriad of expenses necessary to record and tour.  I could see for myself from following the national blues scene that this was impacting the type of emerging blues artist.  One has read the stories of how Bruce Iglauer started Alligator on $1500 (in the early 70’s) by taking Hound Dog Taylor on the road, hitting a lot of college towns.  This is no longer feasible, unless you have huge financial backing.

However, I did manage to land a mid-level booking agency by offering them 20% (you have to be creative).  In the summer of 2002, they booked Slim and Dukes into a few major festivals on the east coast (N. Atlantic and Pocono) and also booked them on month-long tours along the Atlantic Coast.  As you can imagine, this was an enormous expense for my backers and myself, because vans had to be rented and blues clubs don't really cover motel expenses for no name bands.  But we did the tours (I toured with Dukes) and it was amazing to think that, just in a few years, people who had been playing in total obscurity were now being seen by thousands of people.  The tours went well and the bands were well received, but the expenses tended to diminish some of the excitement I felt.  By then, my investors were getting anxious and the financial fallout during the post 9/11 era was damaging. 

My distributor, City Hall Records, was a solid national one who got us into most of the chains and dealt with a large number of smaller regional distributors.  However, Tower Records was the only chain that took our CDs in nationally.  Borders, Best Buy, Barnes and Noble, Sam Goody, and others, only took us in regionally and so we didn’t have enough CDs in the stores to cover expenses.  My investors refused to put up more money if there wasn't enough product in the stores to at least have a chance of making back the investment.  I was caught between a rock and a hard place.  The distributor claimed that it was the label’s job to create interest and that it wasn’t necessary for product to be out there.  Eventually, Tower Records went under and that was pretty much the end of my financial involvement in the label.

But, one of our goals was to put out black blues and give deserving black blues artists a chance to play their music and get some publicity.  In this regard, we were successful.  Dozens of South Central artists played on our CDs, gigged with us, and were written up in blues publications.  Slim took ownership of the label in 2005 and has kept it going and carrying forth our original plan.  He has found people to help release CDs, but without a large amount of money, it is virtually impossible to make any.                    

Large retail chains that sell CDs won’t deal with you if you don’t have a huge budget for promotion.  Furthermore, blues radio is quite limited and doesn’t reach nearly enough people to have an impact on CD sales.  Of course, CD sales are down in general and so it is even harder than ever to sell CDs.  In blues, it is vitally important the artists tour because this obviously brings in publicity and is also the main way for bands to sell CDs.  But the number of blues clubs is shrinking and the pay scale is quite low.  Only very well known bands, on major labels such as Alligator, Blind Pig, Telarc, etc., are able to find booking agencies capable of booking decent tours.  So this Catch 22 of "no label = no publicity and no publicity = no label" permeates the blues world.  This means there is no chance of making money by playing blues unless you have a bunch of it to start off.  Consequently blues rarely attracts the type of people that made it so great in the 40’s and 50’s.  People like Muddy, the Kings, Wolf, Sam, Rush, James, Koko Taylor, Guy, et al, went into blues, in part, because they could make a living at it.  This is no longer possible for many talented people.  I believe that those who care about sustaining this art form need to think of ways to find and support talent in their formative years.  I believe there are ways to do this, and it would be interesting to continue this discussion.

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Interview With Bob Margolin - By Jerry Rosen

Bob Margolin has been one of the most active blues musicians in the world during the past forty years. Here is a brief summary of his career. Many more details are available at his highly informative website www.bobmargolin.com. Muddy Waters invited Bob to join his legendary band in 1973. Muddy was impressed with Bob’s mastery of the “Old School Chicago Blues” style. Anyone who knows blues and has heard Bob play will testify to this. Bob was with Muddy until 1980.

Bob supported himself as an independent blues artist in the 80’s. During this time, he did special shows with the likes of James Cotton, Taj Mahal, Etta James, Stevie Ray Vaughn, The Fabulous Thunderbirds, Johnny Winter, George Thorogood and many others. Starting in the 90’s, opportunities for independent blues bands were starting to decrease and Bob turned to recording as a means to maintain and elevate his career. He recorded well-received CDs for the labels: Power House, Alligator, Telarc and Blind Pig during this decade. In 1994, Bob began playing with some of Muddy’s old band members in the Muddy Waters Tribute Band. This enterprise produced award winning blues music; it also gave many deserving blues artists a chance to make some money and extend their careers. Bob has been nominated for and won many awards. Of particular note are his Handy Award for guitar in 2005 and his Blues Music Award for guitar in 2008. Bob was also instrumental in helping Muddy’s son Big Bill Morganfield launch his career in the late 90’s. Bob has played regularly with the legendary Pinetop Perkins who is still going strong (Pinetop was one of Muddy’s piano players). Bob can currently be seen with The Bob Margolin Allstars who, over the years, have featured James Cotton, Carey Bell, Jerry Portnoy, Willie “Big Eyes” Smith, Calvin “Fuzz” Jones, Bob Stroger, David Maxwell and Mookie Brill. Bob is also a regular columnist for Blues Revue magazine. One wonders how he finds the time for all this.

I would like to preface my interview with Bob with some personal experiences I have had with him because I believe these do a better job addressing his true character than merely listing his many accomplishments. I first met Bob over the Internet in the late 90’s. I had recently started playing blues (after a fifteen-year break) and had my own band. I was surprised that Bob took the time to communicate with a complete unknown. He gave me valuable advice about running a blues band and recording. When I started a blues label (South Side Records) in 1999, he was very generous with input on this endeavor as well. Bob invited me to come see his touring band at the Blue Café in Long Beach, California and he told me to bring my guitar. The place was packed with well over two hundred people. During his first set, I was mesmerized by the sheer power and professionalism of his trio. I was impressed with Bob’s ability to fill out the sound with only three players. His vocals, slide, rhythm and lead work gave the music a propulsive feeling that made it sound like a much larger band. There was a young guy playing bass who also sang a few songs; he played two solo numbers on slide guitar and played some harmonica too. It was clear that Bob was giving him a chance to show his stuff. In the second set, after a few numbers, Bob stepped up to the mike and said, “In the house is one of L.A.’s top blues guitarists, Jerry Rosen.” He then called me up and asked if I wanted sing a few numbers. I was too scared to sing, but Bob let me solo on four tunes. Up to that point, I had just been playing in dive bars in remote areas of Los Angeles. I got a standing ovation when I was finished (mostly because the backing band was amazing) and that had to be one of the high points in my life.

The next time Bob was in town, he was playing at the Café Boogaloo in Hermosa Beach, California with Pinetop Perkins. He invited me along with my band mate South Side Slim to sit in with his band. He let Slim sing two songs to a packed house and we were completely stoked having played with one of the greatest blues legends of the 20th (and 21st) century.

A few years later, Bob invited me, my singer Mary Dukes, and singer/harp player JT Ross to come see him play with the Muddy Water Tribute band at Pepperdine University in Malibu (probably the richest setting for a blues concert you’ll ever encounter). After their set, Bob invited us backstage, showed us the touring bus and spent at least an hour talking to us about blues. Anyone who reads Bob’s column in Blues Revue knows he often writes about undiscovered talents in an effort to give them some publicity. He started the VizzTone label group as a vehicle for helping artists release their own CDs. He is the personification of someone who has given back to the music that has given him such a successful career.

Below is a short interview I did with Bob. Even though he was on the road, and clearly busy, he took the time to answer my questions.

JR: What were some of the things you learned from your time with Muddy Waters that have helped you as a bandleader?

BM: Treat the band with respect and friendliness. Invite them to communicate. Never mess with anyone's money.

JR: What specific musical influences did Muddy’s music have on your own?

BM: Before I met him, he was my favorite musician. I wanted to play Old School Chicago Blues and I still do. But by getting into his band, I learned it directly from him onstage.

JR: What is your opinion of the blues music scene today?

BM: It is artistically exciting -- there are great Blues musicians emerging with talent and ambition. It is also economically challenging -- it is harder than ever to build a career and make a living.

JR: What are some of the pros and cons of recording for an indie label, such as Alligator (or any of the other ones you have been on)?

BM: A label may finance the recording, give the artist an advance, take care of distribution, advertising, promotion, and lend the artist any prestige that the label has accumulated from putting out good music. On the other hand, the label will want to recoup its money before the artists gets any, and take a big share of the profits. Also, some labels will try to influence the music and create uncomfortable pressures on the artist. That can be good if the artist needs the guidance or bad if he doesn't.

JR: Why did you form your label VizzTone? What have you learned from this endeavor?

BM: It started out having a partner in forming my own record company, Steady Rollin' Records, to put out my In North Carolina album in 2007. Then we took on another partner with more record company experience. Then we realized we could bring this service to other artists. VizzTone is not a label; it's a label group. The artist has his own label and produces his own CD, but we provide artist services in partnership and take less of a cut than a label would.

JR: I’ve heard it said that blues music must expand to stay alive. Some people say that the I IV V model is dead. What is your opinion on this?

BM: Who's counting? I doubt there's anyone analyzing the music for chords and rejecting anything with a simple Blues progression. Blues never was mainstream popular, and a lot of people either don't care for it or aren't even interested in hearing it. But those who love it really love it a lot and sustain the scene.

JR: Why do think there is such a limited market (even compared to jazz and classical) for blues music?

BM: Blues isn't marketed like rock or pop music. You still see almost no Blues on TV. The Internet provides great access to it but it's still a "limited market." It's amazing that Blues doesn't just fade away, but as in the last answer, those who love it really love it a lot.

JR: What are some of the difficulties for a working, touring blues band?

BM: It's much harder to book and play a tour that takes a musician from city to city with only a few days off and have the band make more money than they spend to travel and do business. There are less weekday gigs than there used to be. Some bands are able to do it. I prefer to work on weekends and then come home for weekdays anyway, and I've been out here long enough so that it sustains me.

JR: Can a band support itself from touring revenue?

BM: "A band" is general. If it's a huge band with a lot of people in it that needs expensive transportation and accommodations. If it's 3-5 people, maybe. And they have to be decently paid for gigs and sell lots of their CD's from the bandstand. If they become very popular and can draw people to their venues, a lot of money can at least pass through their hands on the way to paying their bills.

JR: What advice do you have for aspiring blues artists who have yet to land a label deal or secure a booking agency?

BM: Do it yourself. Try to use the Internet to stay as visible as possible. But most important is to play music that is so deep and powerful and exciting that the soulful Blues audience will want to hear them. That's the hardest part; they've got to really stand out artistically.

JR: What are some of the highlights of your career?

BM: Well, you could take a list of awards and big gigs from my website, but for me the highlight is living a life of playing my best music for soulful people.

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